From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 03:27 on 05 Aug 2007 Subject: The hates-software archives So, each poster's thread gets archived under a host named for their email address. There is no way whatsoever to link to individual posts on these pages; only entire threads get an address. Just great!! Who needs links anyway -- this web thingamajig is silly anyway! Whatever, I was trying to look up an old post from Aaron Crane (as it turns out; didn't know it at the time), in a thread from Yossi Kreinin. Yossi has a dot in his mail address. You guessed it: there's no way to get at his threads. Note that http://hates-software.com/authors/ lists http://hates-software.com/authors/yossi.kreinin/ which seems good, except it redirects... to http://yossi.hates-software.com/.kreinin/ -- 404. Does it get any MORE broken? Yeah. I noticed that this page lists an author called "pagaltzis" whose threads appear under http://pagaltzis.hates-software.com/ ... which is *not* http://ap.hates-software.com/ as I configured it yonks ago. But wait -- the latter still exists! It has my old threads. The other one has my newer ones. AAaaaargh. So I clicked to try to change the configuration. My password was rejected. And I cannot find any password reminder or password reset link. Trying to re-register with the same address just makes the server crap itself and return a blank page. Great, just great. So I idly clicked the "siesta" logotype, and discovered that there is a SECOND archive: http://siesta.unixbeard.net/siesta/archive/hates-software/ This one actually has one page per post -- whoooo. Of course the newest post in it is from the end of March, some 4.5 months ago. Thankfully, the post I was looking for is older than that, so I was able to find it. Exim may be hateful, but I'm still glad that it runs the actual mailing list delivery for hates-software, otherwise even that wouldn't work. Regards,
From: Richard Clamp Date: 11:46 on 06 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 04:27:50AM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > So, each poster's thread gets archived under a host named for > their email address. There is no way whatsoever to link to > individual posts on these pages; only entire threads get an > address. Just great!! Who needs links anyway -- this web > thingamajig is silly anyway! That's because hates software is meant to be a blog not a discussion group. I guess that wasn't stated clearly enough for some people back when I wrote the home page[0] so I'll try again. HATES SOFTWARE IS MEANT TO BE A BLOG NOT A DISCUSSION GROUP Apart from that, I demand more venom in your hates. That was much more a grumble than a real hate. [0] http://hates-software.com/
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 15:05 on 06 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Richard Clamp <richardc@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-06 12:55]: > On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 04:27:50AM +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > So, each poster's thread gets archived under a host named for > > their email address. There is no way whatsoever to link to > > individual posts on these pages; only entire threads get an > > address. Just great!! Who needs links anyway -- this web > > thingamajig is silly anyway! > > That's because hates software is meant to be a blog not a > discussion group. Every single weblog where I've ever left a comment used internal anchors to make comments linkable individually. That makes the hates-software permalink pages *the worst* of any blog engine I have ever seen. Oh yeah, and I noticed a while ago that it fails to decode mails in quoted-printable format at the very least; I think it fails to decode mails at all. If it's gonna process mail as the way to drive a blog, then it should maybe, y'know ACTUALLY PROCESS MAIL when it drives the blog. Not to mention that this "I'm a bloooooog not a maaaaailing list!" thing is hotsy-totsy cow manure and makes it *totally worthless* in either role. Regards,
From: Robin Stephenson Date: 17:34 on 06 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives Am I alone in thinking that the "hates-software" web page should stay just as broken as it is? If people insist on tickling it where it is clealy broken, eg sending quoted-printable messages, having characters in their email addresses that make it choke, whatever, then guess what? It will break! How hateful! In this respect, how is it different from any other of the milliard broken bits of web-hosted crapware you have to deal with on a daily basis? I likes it just the hateful way it is Obligatory hate: the bazillion and one things I have had to do to get a vaguely serviceable RedHat installation. Having negotiated the rapids of the second install-time-only dependencies file to trim down to 193 packages, written an extensive %post section in the kickstart file to: * update the locate & whatis databases, and make locate be updated nightly * remove all traces of colorls * take the boneheaded aliases out of root's profile * blahdeblah; having done all that, I still can't figure out any way of having a machine automatically register itself on Red Hat Network, other than wrapping their poxy web site with WWW:Mechanize. My spider senses tell me that I'll bitterly regret doing that, so I just try to keep from grinding my teeth into dust as I ... register ... yet ... another ... server ... manually. I also need to install all of Dell's management stuff manually, because the alternative appears to be to install expect to handle the installer's stupid questions. So today's hate is non-scriptable installs. As well as plenty of last week's hates, and tomorrow's too, I shouldn't wonder
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 17:57 on 06 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Robin Stephenson <robin@xxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-06 18:40]: > If people insist on tickling it where it is clealy broken, eg > sending quoted-printable messages, Riiiight. Any mail with non-US-ASCII characters is sent with some sort of encoding (unless the MUA is broken). F.ex., if I want to hate on Apple’s Exposé, my mail is automatically something other than literal 7-bit text. > having characters in their email addresses that make it choke Dots in email addresses are soooooooooo unusual! People who use them deserve to have their threads inaccessible by anyone else! And you know what? It’s not the one with a dot in his email address who suffered the problem, it’s me who wanted to look up one of his threads. I sure hope you never write any code someone else has to use. > In this respect, how is it different from any other of the > milliard broken bits of web-hosted crapware you have to deal > with on a daily basis? I likes it just the hateful way it is Fine. This mail is UTF-8 and has proper punctuation. If your MUA breaks on it, well I likes it just the hateful way it is. > Obligatory hate: Didn’t read this part. Get your own thread. Regards,
From: Phil Pennock Date: 00:31 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives On 2007-08-06 at 18:57 +0200, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > Riiiight. Any mail with non-US-ASCII characters is sent with some > sort of encoding (unless the MUA is broken). F.ex., if I want to > hate on Apple’s Exposé, my mail is automatically something other > than literal 7-bit text. > Fine. This mail is UTF-8 and has proper punctuation. I call bullshit. I'll see you your "RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK" and raise you one "APOSTROPHE". It's "Apple's", not "Apple’s". Proper punctuation, my arse. -Phil
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 01:17 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Phil Pennock <phil.pennock@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-07 01:40]: > I’ll see you your “RIGHT SINGLE QUOTATION MARK†and raise you > one “APOSTROPHEâ€. > > It’s “Apple’sâ€, not “Apple’sâ€. > > Proper punctuation, my arse. Yeah, they couldn’t be bothered to bung in another character; I hate that, but I’m just kind repressing it most of the time. Just for you, here are some actually proper punctuation marks. :-) xoxo,
From: Peter da Silva Date: 02:24 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives On 06-Aug-2007, at 19:17, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > Yeah, they couldn=92t be bothered to bung in another character; > I hate that, but I=92m just kind repressing it most of the time. The hateful thing about smart-arse quotes is ... no, they're pure =20 hate, all the way through. You can not defend them.
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 07:33 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Peter da Silva <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-07 03:30]: > smart-arse quotes There is no such thing as a smart quote. There is only smart quoting. There are also curly quotes. The former is a feature in some software for easier typing of the latter. As for the rest of the reply, I have been completely done with that argument since the end of the second 150-message Unicode flamefest that happened while I was around. Regards,
From: Peter da Silva Date: 11:44 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives On Aug 7, 2007, at 1:33, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Peter da Silva <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-07 03:30]: >> smart-arse quotes > There is no such thing as a smart quote. There is only smart > quoting. Smart-arse quoting deserves no defense. Smart-arse literalism is no defense.
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 21:10 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Peter da Silva <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-07 12:50]: > Smart-arse literalism is no defense. Congratulations for having read my mail! (Specifically the part where I said I wasn't going to get into that topic.) Regards,
From: Yossi Kreinin Date: 08:56 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives A. Pagaltzis wrote: >=20 > Dots in email addresses are soooooooooo unusual! People who use > them deserve to have their threads inaccessible by anyone else! >=20 > And you know what? It=E2=80=99s not the one with a dot in his email > address who suffered the problem, it=E2=80=99s me who wanted to look up= > one of his threads. >=20 Working for a company with uniform mail addresses for all employees leads= to=20 dots, dots lead to sufferiiiing... Out of pure (and intense) curiosity - are (all of) my threads archived so= mewhere=20 outside of /dev/null?
From: Abigail Date: 21:24 on 07 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:56:32AM +0300, Yossi Kreinin wrote: > A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > > >Dots in email addresses are soooooooooo unusual! People who use > >them deserve to have their threads inaccessible by anyone else! > > > >And you know what? It???s not the one with a dot in his email > >address who suffered the problem, it???s me who wanted to look up > >one of his threads. > > >=20 > Working for a company with uniform mail addresses for all employees leads= =20 > to dots, dots lead to sufferiiiing... Wrong. Just change your name to just 'Yossi'. My work address is 'abigail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx'. But then, I wouldn't post to hates-software from a work address. Abigail --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGuNUSBOh7Ggo6rasRAtCgAJ9SlqLetXUfcVuH+MLIBiCb2w3DSACfbmBH qIN7Sm01Rvyjw3x+XGxGy6I= =fM55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2fHTh5uZTiUOsy+g--
From: Yossi Kreinin Date: 10:18 on 08 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives Abigail wrote: > Just change your name to just 'Yossi'. > Great idea! I must do it fast though, before the other 3 people working with me and having the same first name hear about it. Maybe I'll use a static IP address instead, that should avoid these nasty collision problems... except it doesn't solve the original problem with dots. I guess this makes a UUID the way to go. Cheers, 730964ef-cec7-487e-8604-683e9c03ff0f
From: Michael G Schwern Date: 01:47 on 10 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives Abigail wrote: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:56:32AM +0300, Yossi Kreinin wrote: >> A. Pagaltzis wrote: >>> Dots in email addresses are soooooooooo unusual! People who use >>> them deserve to have their threads inaccessible by anyone else! >>> >>> And you know what? It???s not the one with a dot in his email >>> address who suffered the problem, it???s me who wanted to look up >>> one of his threads. >>> >> Working for a company with uniform mail addresses for all employees leads >> to dots, dots lead to sufferiiiing... > > Wrong. > > Just change your name to just 'Yossi'. > > > My work address is 'abigail@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.xxx'. I knew a "Michael Smith" in high school. I guess he's fucked then.
From: Peter da Silva Date: 03:05 on 10 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives > I knew a "Michael Smith" in high school. I guess he's fucked then. He could change his name to something unique like "Sting", "Prince", or "Megabyte", while he's changing his name anyway.
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 08:48 on 11 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Peter da Silva <peter@xxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-11 06:55]: > >I knew a "Michael Smith" in high school. I guess he's fucked > >then. > > He could change his name to something unique like "Sting", > "Prince", or "Megabyte", while he's changing his name anyway. Or maybe "Ingy döt Net". :-) Regards,
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From: Michael G Schwern Date: 21:50 on 11 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives Peter da Silva wrote: >> I knew a "Michael Smith" in high school. I guess he's fucked then. > > He could change his name to something unique like "Sting", "Prince", or > "Megabyte", while he's changing his name anyway. Or ♧ or ☃ or ℜ or ➊! Oh god, Unicode email addresses!
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 23:10 on 11 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives Michael G Schwern wrote: > Peter da Silva wrote: >>> I knew a "Michael Smith" in high school. I guess he's fucked then. >> He could change his name to something unique like "Sting", "Prince", or >> "Megabyte", while he's changing his name anyway. > > Or ♧ or ☃ or ℜ or ➊! Oh god, Unicode email addresses! Oh, yes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name And to keep on the subject of hate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack > >
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 04:12 on 12 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@xxx.xx> [2007-08-12 00:15]: > And to keep on the subject of hate: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack Of course this isn't new, even though IDN exponentially expanded the scope of the problem. See also http://rnicrosoft.com/ Regards,
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 14:19 on 12 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@xxx.xx> [2007-08-12 00:15]: >> And to keep on the subject of hate: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack > > Of course this isn't new, even though IDN exponentially expanded > the scope of the problem. > > See also http://rnicrosoft.com/ Doesn't work with my font, so I declare it not a problem. > Regards,
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 14:53 on 12 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@xxx.xx> [2007-08-12 15:45]: > A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > * Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@xxx.xx> [2007-08-12 00:15]: > >> And to keep on the subject of hate: > >> > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack > > > > Of course this isn't new, even though IDN exponentially > > expanded the scope of the problem. > > > > See also http://rnicrosoft.com/ > > Doesn't work with my font, so I declare it not a problem. Ah, the RESOLVED WORKSFORME school of problem solving. Shouldn't you configure the rest of your fonts such that Unicode homograph attacks are not a problem either and quit bandying that link around at all, then? Regards,
From: Jarkko Hietaniemi Date: 15:03 on 12 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@xxx.xx> [2007-08-12 15:45]: >> A. Pagaltzis wrote: >>> * Jarkko Hietaniemi <jhi@xxx.xx> [2007-08-12 00:15]: >>>> And to keep on the subject of hate: >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack >>> Of course this isn't new, even though IDN exponentially >>> expanded the scope of the problem. >>> >>> See also http://rnicrosoft.com/ >> Doesn't work with my font, so I declare it not a problem. > > Ah, the RESOLVED WORKSFORME school of problem solving. > > Shouldn't you configure the rest of your fonts such that Unicode > homograph attacks are not a problem either and quit bandying that > link around at all, then? Hey, they already are: I get these upside down question marks for all this Unicode crap when using my trusty lovely VT-100. > Regards,
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From: Ann Barcomb Date: 17:48 on 06 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives On Sun, 5 Aug 2007, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > So, each poster's thread gets archived under a host named for > their email address. There is no way whatsoever to link to > individual posts on these pages; only entire threads get an > address. Just great!! Who needs links anyway -- this web > thingamajig is silly anyway! Well, I'm still waiting for my new posts, which are under 'Ann' to get moved under my nick of choice, 'Kudra' (which is how my old posts are accessed), which is something I requested right after we were informed that this information had been lost. I just couldn't get worked up enough about it to send a second email until now.
From: A. Pagaltzis Date: 18:00 on 06 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives * Ann Barcomb <ann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-06 18:55]: > Well, I'm still waiting for my new posts, which are under 'Ann' > to get moved under my nick of choice, 'Kudra' (which is how my > old posts are accessed), which is something I requested right > after we were informed that this information had been lost. I can't find any way to set, reset or recover my password so I cannot even log in to request the change. Regards,
From: Ann Barcomb Date: 18:06 on 06 Aug 2007 Subject: Re: The hates-software archives On Mon, 6 Aug 2007, A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Ann Barcomb <ann@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> [2007-08-06 18:55]: >> Well, I'm still waiting for my new posts, which are under 'Ann' >> to get moved under my nick of choice, 'Kudra' (which is how my >> old posts are accessed), which is something I requested right >> after we were informed that this information had been lost. > > I can't find any way to set, reset or recover my password so I > cannot even log in to request the change. Yeah, I think I did it by email. I don't remember; it's been so long ago.
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